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♪ >> the wreath is being placed by president obama.

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the president is observing a moment of silence. >> ladies and gentlemen, the wreath ceremony is completed. the veterans day program will begin in ten minutes. please move to your seats. >> one of the most solemn places

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when you have 991 votes separating the two candidates. even if they have made it on the basis of select precincts, i'd be very cautious about intruding into the process. >> well, folks -- >> thanks. >> so maybe not so fast. >> thanks. thanks a lot. thank you. great to have you guys here. >> that's awkward. >> that's awkward says megan kelly. so when karl rove says that as obviously wrong as it turns out, does it seem to you that he's speaking as a guy with an independent judgment or a guy who's acting as a republican party surrogate? >> that's the issue. awkward. awkward long before election night when networks have people on their programs who are also actors. they're no longer just observers. that's also true with paul at cnn. it's not just karl. but karl's running the, you

know, multi-- hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising. >> why do cable networks and not just fox news allow people who are still in the game, who are partisans, who are helping to raise money, come on and be paid pundits? >> first of all, that was great television, okay? >> it was. it's riveting. >> that's one of the reasons they put them on there. they give good television. however, that meltdown was indicative of what is really wrong with what's going on in network news and cable news. the mixing of pundits and not just pub dids but hill pundits, karl rove with $300 million in his pocket before this election, with real reporters on the same sets, and it muddies the waters and it confuses the viewer. and something really should be done not just at fox but cnn and msnbc. >> and a great cheer went up at the romney victory parties which is where i was when he said this. so it also kind of drew out the

hope of that crowd who were watching this hoping for any sign that maybe this isn't over yet. >> keeping hope alive at a time when if you listened to fox and the other networks, cnn, msnbc, also making objection that romney had won ohio although it was very tight. karl rove is a smart guy. he lep he helped elect bush twice. >> remember, he had -- on 2000 and 2004, both election nights when he was fighting with the networks over their projections and he happened to be right both times. i think's a little bit of history there where he says, wait a second. ice interesting to have a guy like that on there. asking karl rove whether gop or romney is going to win is like digging up knute rockne and asking whether irish would be enou

number one. >> a lot of people were wrong, it turns out. most of the mainstream media and pollsters were right about president obama and it makes me think about this. was this moment with rover, fair will i or unfairly, kind of symbolic with what we receive this year where some folks on the right, certainly not everybody, say the polls were skewed, said the unemployment figures were cooked, not accepting reality? >> yeah. yeah. they were clearly wrong. frank bruni said it in "the new york times" this morning. the orator sun, a debacle. not that he wasn't just wrong but h was cataclysmically wrong. his style comes into question as does his stature at fox news. mine will fox news at this point look at what happened and say, you know, we need to rethink these things? >> i think fox news loves rover and the viewers like rover. >> because he's good television. >> you also had donltd trump who ran for president for about nine seconds it seems and pushed the birther nonsense and tweeted all

night that the election was a sham. and it was said he veered far past relevance. >> didn't rover say he made a bad investment, $400 million. >> and that trump was shooting at rover as well. >> and we're talking about him. >> that's the thing. why do we lavish attention on him. he's color copy, good for ratings, we enjoy talking about him. but he also seemeds to be pushing against the facts. >> i wish i knew. he's someone that has remained relevant through twitter and people read about him. >> it's a reality show. >> i know. it's true. and people read about him. he draws -- he is news. >> the fact is that people think that donald trump is a clown. he's not a clown. he is an i comic self-promoter. and when you push back -- when he tweets something and you respond something like brian williams of nbc news did, you make his day. he loves that. >> he loves to get into fights.

let me ask you, peter baker, about all the analyses that were in. suddenly it was dumb, stupid, could document anything right although he came close. and then there were all these pot shots. no name attached saying they were all in over their heads. is that fair to let those people take pot shots behind the curtain of an naonymity? >> they're brilliant. everything they did was exactly right and everything on the other side did was exactly wrong. republicans never fully embraced romney. they were more than willing to take shots. they took him because he was there. not someone who they were enthusiastic about. >> just briefly, journalists

whowho allow disappointed republicans to say things. >> they should be identified. >> when we come back, the election results overtaken by the big news saga of david petraeus. back in a moment. (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities.

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david pa trarks the former four-star general resigning on friday after acknowledging an extramarital affair. take a listen to andrea mitchell who broke that story, talking about what happened when she broke the story. >> i have to tell you i don't take any pleasure in this in a sense that this is a personal tragedy. having covered general petraeus here and overseas i'm absolutely convinced from all the people i've had directly involved that this was a man of honor. >> you've covered general petraeus as well. the tone is you hear it's a shame, a piling on. you don't hear what you do when others get caught in this situation. >> with regard to general petraeus, it was a shock to anyone who's ever covered him. i must say in a lesson to journalists, there's a chinks in

anybody who wears a shiny armoire, and over the years when the alleged person who was having an affair with would show up in afghanistan, reporters would ask questions to his staff, who is she, why is she here so much. >> several news organizations have reported that the woman is paula broadwell, who is his biographer who took a tv tour, went on "the daily show" with jon stewart, talking about general petraeus, about what great man he is, and supposedly an fbi investigation started by i'm she had written led to general petraeus having to step down. you're saying there were rumors in the press box. >> rumors but maybe questions about why she was so close to a four-star general who was running the war in afghanistan. they never got answers. in fact, the public affairs people said it's nothing, he's just mentoring her. sthad to me last night, one of the public affairs office, they never went to petraeus and said, hey, they're asking questions about her, which would have been

an appropriate thoing do for a public affairs person. that never happened. but let me just continue. petraeus knew three weeks ago that the fbi was onto this affair, okay? the honorable thing to do three weeks ago would have been to resign, not wait until the owned testify election. you know, we teach our clients in 15 seconds get bad news out fast. he didn't do that. >> of course, this would have stepped a all over president obama's re-election effort. is it true there's a more sympathetic tone for somebody who gets into this kind of trouble when journalists know the person, when a relationship of trust is built as opposed to somebody who's kept at immediate arm's length? >> i guess that's fair. we'd like to believe every everyone is treat fairly. let's face it. general petraeus is known all over town, had spent a lot of time cultivating the media and answered questions to his credit even from long distances and odd hours of the night. so he probably gets a little bit

more of a break. it helps him -- but it's not right -- that he didn't publicly denied something. >> but that being granted to somt journalists has really produced a lifetime of favorable coverage, of positive headlines. niep is a g-- i mean this is sa guy who had a terrific image. eat not saying he didn't deserve it, risking his life in afghanistan and iran but because he courted the press. >> this is a savvy individual and there's no denying that. peter is right. it's fair to say if reporters know someone, if someone's friendlier to them, they're going to take -- give them more of the benefit of the doubt. that said, this is a developing story and think there is a need to tread lightly. >> this story has legs. >> it really does. and i think that being a little bit more careful about a story like this where we don't know all the details yet, there's still a lot out there, isn't necessarily prau accident.

>> he spent years cultivates reporters. >> including you? >> sure. >> what's the relationship like? >> you know, the phone would ring, it would be david petraeus to chat. >> he would call you. >> he would call me or john burns of "the new york times." sometimes daily when he was in baghdad. i'm sure burns told you that. to chat off the record or on background. most often on background. it was a two-way street. he understand that. so it's stunning to me now that he knew of this three or four weeks ago and he didn't give it up then. >> but the other aspect of this, peter baker, is that the iowa has been urnlds fire over what happened in benghazi and since going there, he's kept a low profile since being a four-star general. i saw a lot of criticism from the press but i didn't see a lot of criticism of petraeus, why wasn't he out there, what didn't he know and why didn't he beef up security. even now this is a conspiracy to get him off the stage. >> can you imagine blowing up

your entire life to avoid a hearing on the hill? i think that's sort of silly. yes, you're right we did a piece of the times, looking at his role in all this, but i think that he did get a benefit of the doubt by virtue of the fact that he had a long-time relationships with the media. >> maybe just maybe we ought to be a little more sympathetic in these kinds of problems because they're human beings, they make mistakes, unless it's with a subordinate or civilian. >> the answer to that is no. if it's the secretary of agriculture, who cares. the information he has is about corn futures. if it's the head of the cia, if it's the chief of staff of the army, if it's the head of the defense intelligence agency who have national secrets or vulnerable to blackmail, no, that information has to come out and come out quickly. >> let's not forget this was someone out there promoting him. she in effect had become a public agent for him out there.

>> paula broadwell was not shy about pumping her book and her portrayal of general petraeus. thank you for stopping by. more on "reliable sources" and we're waiting president obama's remarks at ar lethbridge tong national cemetery on this veterans day weekend. lington national cemetery on this veterans day weekend. 

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on selected beds but only through monday. you'll only find the innovative sleep number bed at one of our 400 stores, where queen mattresses start at just $699. zwroord moment on election night when chris matthews said i'm glad we had that storm last week because it brought in possibilities for good politics, meaning it helped barack obama. the next day matthews had rethought what he had said and had this to say about his remark. >> it was a terrible thing to say, period. i could sate was because i was tired, but the fact is i wasn't thinking of the horrible mess this storm has made of people's real lives up here in new york and elsewhere. said something not just stupid but wrong. >> it was a terribly insensitive thing to say. good for matthews recognizing it

and making a full-thwarted apology. you want to get in here. >> i do. i like chris matthews and we've been friends for many years. it was the most insensitive thing. later he said he was going to write a check. he ought to take a check in one hand and a shovel and go up there for a couple day of work on the stay tin island and jersey shore. >> still a lot of people without power. by the way, barbara walters is kicking in $250,000 and george stephanopoulos, $50,000. journalists putting their money where their mouth is. let's talk a little bit about the aftermath of mitt romney's defeat. we talked about the finger pointing and annonymous pot shouts in the press. the coverage seems to be between two polls. some jurmts and commentators saying romney was a flawed candidate and that's why he lost and tactics in all of that and others saying the republican party has a problem. when the press says the republican party has a problem and they're not thinking of

women and -- >> there was a confidence with romney officials that wasn't like a wink, we're going to win. they thought they were going to win. >> it was not just spin. >> it was not just spin. >> and romney had not written a concession speech. >> exactly. he knew how many words his acceptance speech was. i think that's one of the reasons that you see the kind of reporting that you're seeing saying, okay, guys, what went wrong here because you were so denl and the data that's coming back they didn't do a lot of the hispanics. >> right. the numbers are refutable that the republican party has, a latino problem, a female problem. but also if you look at the pushback problem about the polling was off and nate silver of "the new york times" data guru was totally wrong in saying obama had a 90% chance of

re-election, he called every state right as it turned out. >> as it turned out every state before the election. hablized 22 polls. he said 19 of them were pro obama. two, only two were even, and only one went for romney. he was so accurate. three days before the election he said that president obama had a four and five chance of winning the election. he went further and said that romney had a 1 in 50,000 chance of winning the election. how do you ignore that? >> all right. fred francis, jackie kucinich, thank you very much. as i mentioned, president obama getting ready to deliver remarks at arlington national cemetery. let's go to candy crowley. she's standing by as we wait. >> it is veterans day and this is the president of the united states at arlington national cemetery.

>> good morning, everyone. thank you for a lifetime of service to our nation and being such a tireless advocate on behalf of american's veterans including your fellow vietnam veterans. to vice president bind, admiral winnifeld and major, outstanding veterans services organizations, our men and women in uniform, active, guard, and reserve, but most of all to the proud veterans and family members joining us in this sacred place, it is truly a privilege and an honor to be with all of you here today. now, each year on the 11th day of the 11th month, we pause as a nation and as a people to pay tribute to you, to thank you, to honor you, the heroes over the

generations who have served this country of ours with distinction. moments ago i laid a wreath to remember every servicemember who has ever worn our nation's uniform. this day, first and foremost, belongs to them and their loved ones. to the father and mother, the husband and wife, the brother and sister, the comrade, and the friend who when we leave here today will continue to walk these quiet hillsand kneel before the final resting place of those they cherish most. on behalf of the american people i say to you that the memory of your loved ones carries on not just in your hearts but in ours as well. i assure you that their sacrifice will never be forgotten. for it is in that sacrifice that

we see the enduring spirit of america. since even before our founding, we have been blessed with an unbroken chain of patriots who have always come forward to serve. whenever america's come under attack, you've risen to her defense. whenever our freedoms have come under assault, you've responded with resolve. time and again, at home and abroad, you and your families have sacrificed to protect that powerful promise that all of us hold so dear. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. today the proud nation expresses our gratitude, but we do so mindful that no ceremony or parade, no hug or handshake is enough to truly honor that service. for that we must do more.

for that we must commit this day and every day to serving you as well as you've served us. when i spoke here three years ago, i spoke about today's generation of servicemembers. this 9/11 generation who stepped forward after the towers fell and in the years since have stepped into history, writing one of the greatest chapters of military service our country has ever known. you've toppled a dictator and battled insurgency in iraq. you pushed back the taliban and decimated al qaeda in afghanistan. tour after tour, year after year, you and your families have done all that this country has asked. you've done that and more. three years ago i promised your generation that when your tour

comes to an end, when you see our flag, when you touch our soil, you will beelcomed home to an america that will forever fight for you. just as hard as you've fought for us. and so long as i have the honor of serving as your commander in chief, that is the promise that we will never stop working to keep. this is the first veterans day in a decade in which there are no american troops fighting and dying in iraq. [ applause ] 33,000 of our troops have now returned from afghanistan, and the transition there is under way. after a decade of war, our heros are. going home. and over the next few years, more than a million servicemembers will transition back to civilian life. they'll take off their uniforms and take on a new and lasting

role. they will be veterans. as they come home, it falls to us, their fellow citizens, to be there for them and their families. not just now but always. not just for the first few years, but for as long as they walk this earth. to this day we still care for a child of a civil war veteran. to this day we still care for over a hundred spouses and children of the men who fought in the spanish-american war. just last year i came here to pay tribute as frank buccos, the last remaining american veteran of world war i was laid to rest. frank served in world war i for two years but the united states of america kept its commitment to serve him for many decades

that followed. so long after the battles end, long after our heros come home, we stay by their side. that's who we are. than's who we'll be for today's returning servicemembers and their families because no one who fights for your this country overseas should ever have to fight for a job or a roof over their head or the care that they have earned when they come home. [ applause ] we know the most urgent task many of you face is finding a new way to serve. that's why we've made it a priority to help you find jobs worthy of your incredible skills and talents. that's why thanks to the hard work of michelle and jill biden, some of our most patriotic businesses have hired or trained 125,000 veterans and military spouses. it's why we're transforming for the first time in decades how

the military transitions servicemembers from the battlefield to the workplace, and because you deserve to share in the opportunities that you defend, we are making sure that the post-9/11 g.i. bill stays strong so you can earn a college education and pursue your dreams. [ applause ] if you find yourself struggling with the wounds of war, which is post-traumatic stress disorder or traumatic brain injury, we'll be for you as well with the care and treatment that you need. no veteran should have to wait months or years for the benefits that you've earned. so we will continue to attack the claims' backlog. we won't let up. we will not let up. [ applause ] and as we mark the 50th anniversary of the vietnam war,

we have secured new disability benefits for vietnam-era veterans exposed to agent orange. you needed it, you fought for it, and we got it done. [ applause ] that's what we do in america. we take care of our own. we take care of our veterans. we take care of your families. not just by saluting you on one day, once a year, but by fighting for you and your families every day of every year. that's our obligation. a sacred obligation to all of you. that's an obligation that we gladly accept for americans like petty officer taylor morris. six months ago taylor was serving our nation in afghanistan, and as a member of an explosive ordinance disposal team, his job was one of the most dangerous there is, to work

his way through territory littered with explosives, to clear the way for his brothers in arms. on may 3rd while out on patrol, taylor stepped on an ied. the blast threw him into the air. and when he hit the ground, taylor realize thad both his legs were gone. and his left arm. and his right hand. but as taylor lie there fully conscious, bleeding to death, he cautioned the medics to wait before rushing his way. he feared another ied was nearby. taylor's concern wasn't for his own light. it was for theirs. eventually they cleared the area. they tended to taylor's wounds. they carried him off the battlefield. and days later, taylor was carried into walter reed where

he became only the fifth american treated there to survive the amputation of all four limbs. taylor's recovery's been long, and it has been arduous, and it's captivated the nation. a few months after the attack with the help of prosthetics, the love and support of his family, and above all his girlfriend danielle who never left his side, taylor wasn't just walking again. in a video that went viral, the world watched he and danielle dance again. i've often said the most humbling part of my job is serving as commander in chief, and one of the reasons is that every day i get to meet heroes. i met taylor at walter reed and then in july at the white house i presented him with the purple heart. and right now hanging on a wall in the west wing is a photo of

that day, a photo of taylor smiling wide and standing tall. i should point out that taylor couldn't make it here today because he and danielle are out kayaking. [ applause ] in taylor we see the best of america, a spirit that says when we get knocked down, we rise again. when times are tough, we come together. when one of us falters, we lift them up. in this country we take care of our own. especially our veterans who have served us so bravely and sacrificed so selflessly in our name. and we carry on knowing that our best days always lie ahead.

on this day, we thank all of o veterans from all of our wars, not just for your service to this country but for reminding us why america is and always will be the greatest nation on earth. god bless you, god bless our veterans, god bless our men and women in uniform, and god bless these united states of america. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> please rise and join the united states navy band in singing "god bless america."

♪ for across the sea let us pledge allegiance to a land that's free ♪ ♪ to a land that's true ♪ let us all be grateful for a land so fair ♪ ♪ as we raise our voices in a solemn prayer ♪ ♪ a solemn prayer ♪ ♪

♪ god bless america land that i love ♪ ♪ stand beside her and guide her ♪ ♪ through the night with the light from above ♪ ♪ from the mountains to the prairies to the oceans white with foam ♪ ♪ god bless america my home sweet home ♪ ♪ god bless america

my home sweet home ♪ [ applause ] >> the president of the united states. beside him the secretary of veterans affair eric shinseki concluding veterans day activities at arlington memorial cemetery. it began with a wreath laying at the tomb of the unknowns. ending with a speech from the president. where he said that america needs to commit to veterans now coming home by the hundreds of thousands the same way that those veterans committed to america. there the final picture of the tomb of the unknowns as this ceremony concludes. we will be right back after this break with more "reliable sources."

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mitt romney's losing campaign. in the final weeks not only was he not going on "the view" or "the daily show" as barack obama did he barely gave any interviews at all. you were along for that ride. what was it like being in the bubble? >> there wasn't a lot of access to the candidate. the advisers were around in the last weeks, you could talk to them. >> on the record? >> talk to them on the record. you could do that. but as far as the candidate himself, no. the last day of the campaign he came back to the back of the plane with a couple of reporters. but aside from that there wasn't a lot. but at the same time the president wasn't that open to reporters either. >> he wasn't. having his first post-election news conference this wednesday. we talked earlier about david petraeus and how maybe he's getting more sympathetic treatment for his fall of grace because he cultivated journalists. how much did romney's inaccessibility as a candidate affect the coverage in your view if at all? >> i think it's hard because john mccain of course had a very good relationship with the press and it's not like anyone pulled any punches at the end of that campaign either. so i think once you get to a certain level that sort of erodes. but early on i think it would have been a lot easier for him.

>> but we felt like we one-day understood john mccain as somebody who rode around on his bus back in the 2000 campaign. i'm not sure journalists felt they really got mitt romney. brief thought on that? >> yeah, the fact is john mccain, reporters ran out of questions to ask him. i mean, he would talk for -- >> eight-hour rolling press conferences. >> eight hours. and i don't think anybody will do that again in the age of twitter. >> well, maybe they should. if they're secure in their own skin, if a politician is secure in his own skin and they can sit down and talk to reporters about what he really believes, okay? over and over, day after day. i think it helps him out in the end. >> a lot of republicans now want to be interviewed about the depth of this defeat. not just for mitt romney but given the demographic problems that the gop now faces, particularly with hispanic voters. they can be more open with the journalists now, do you think? >> i think so. i think you saw a story in the "washington post" right after. it was either the day after or the next day about some of the soul searching that they're doing. i think we're going to be talking about this for a while. >> right. what bothers me is the people who take the pot shots without being quoted. this was --

>> this was them coming out and saying we're doing an after action report on this. >> bombshell news at the bbc where the director general george entwhistle resigned yesterday. of course there's been the continuing embarrassment over the former -- the late talk show host jimmy saville and sex abuse charges involving hundreds of children. and now a problem tra that inaccurately accused somebody of being involved in a pedophile scandal. it's a mess. >> it's probably the worst thing that's happened to the bbc in a very long time. not just the direct general resigned but many others should resign. and not just because of this latest mistake that they made pointing the finger at somebody in the house of lords. but while some years ago one of the bbc's own broadcasters was a pedophile and they kept that secret for a long time and decided to hook the story and not do the story. and the reason this is important for the united states, the director general of the bbc, former director general, will

now next week take over as the head of the "new york times." >> "the new york times" company, yes. >> the new york times company. journalists have to be held responsible for these dads of crazy stories. you remember in 1993 dateline nbc -- >> every news organization makes mistakes. it's how you handle it that determines how you're perceived by the public. just briefly jackie kucinich, hasn't been a great year for british journalism going back to the rupert murdoch "news of the world" scandal. >> in all aspects there's just a lot of work to do to rebuild public trust. >> yeah. it's not just the public trust in britain but it's the public trust here too. it's a connected world. that bbc story was on every internet page. >> every time a news organization does something dumb, covers up, isn't straight with readers and viewers, it hurts the reputation of all journalists. fred francis, jackie kucinich, thanks for coming by this morning. that is it for this edition of "reliable sources." i'm howard kuz. glad you could join our